I understand you can migrate to iCloud with an iPad or iPhone. Neither of which I own.
How would I migrate my account without upgrading to Lion?
I can’t recall how we did it. I think we went to the web site for the old service on the MacBook and it asked if we wanted to migrate to the new one.
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On 26 Feb 2012, 5:25 pm, David Ledger wrote:
At 12:08 -0500 26/2/12, Bob King wrote:
I see the buying of software from the App store and the tie-in to
cloud software etc possibly, and I repeat possibly, being the thin
edge of the wedge, whereupon, the vast majority of the software
enabling both amateur and professional use of a computing platform,
desktop, handheld or whatever, becomes server side and completely
out of control of the user, both as far as usage AND cost is
concerned.I see signs in Lion and Mountain Lion of this trend.
Whether or not Apple start charging in future, the .mac → .mobile.me
→ iCloud thing makes me very reluctant to start using any new Apple
service. It’ll probably be replaced again in a few years leaving all
the effort of adopting wasted. The Calendar/Keychain/Bookmarks etc.
syncing and the gallery worked very well for me. Now I have to find
alternative solutions.
Apple already charge for iCloud, if you want more than 5 GB storage. That’s the “scam.” With two iOS devices and a ton of photos on one and I don’t know what on the other, I’m close already. But I manage to stay below the limit for now. I think a lot of people won’t come close.
As far as the server side vs. desktop, Apple has not shown signs that they’ll take the desktop storage away. They are going to make it easier to store on the cloud from what I hear. It makes sense if you’re an iOS user, but it clearly doesn’t if you’re doing huge things on the desktop. Apple has long acknowledged that there will always be people who need “trucks,” aka desktops to do the heavy lifting.
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At 09:14 -0500 27/2/12, Joe Muscara wrote:
On 26 Feb 2012, 5:25 pm, David Ledger wrote:
Whether or not Apple start charging in future, the .mac → .mobile.me
→ iCloud thing makes me very reluctant to start using any new Apple
service. It’ll probably be replaced again in a few years leaving all
the effort of adopting wasted. The Calendar/Keychain/Bookmarks etc.
syncing and the gallery worked very well for me. Now I have to find
alternative solutions.Apple already charge for iCloud, if you want more than 5 GB
storage. That’s the “scam.” With two iOS devices and a ton of
photos on one and I don’t know what on the other, I’m close already.
But I manage to stay below the limit for now. I think a lot of
people won’t come close.
It’s not any "scam"ability, it’s just will it be there in 5 / 10
years time? Or even 2 years?
As far as the server side vs. desktop, Apple has not shown signs
that they’ll take the desktop storage away. They are going to make
it easier to store on the cloud from what I hear. It makes sense if
you’re an iOS user, but it clearly doesn’t if you’re doing huge
things on the desktop. Apple has long acknowledged that there will
always be people who need “trucks,” aka desktops to do the heavy
lifting.
Apple didn’t have to take the Gallery away in order to implement
iCloud. In fact more people would probably be happy to pay for an
increase above 5GB for that instead of the current mobile.me fee. As
I understand it the ‘replacement’ has a photo count limit and is
designed to be a conduit for photos between Macs and IOS devices
rather than a way to publish your photos. Flickr is a pain in
comparison.
Nor did they have to remove the iSync of Keychains or iCal; nor POP
email. They give to us with one hand and arbitrarily take away with
the other. Reliability of an Apple service seems not to be to do with
occasional outages or errors but total removal. Time to look
elsewhere I think.
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On 27 Feb 2012, at 15:00, David Ledger wrote:
It’s not any "scam"ability, it’s just will it be there in 5 / 10 years time? Or even 2 years?
I’m sure there’ll be a (much improved) version by then. Why would it disappear? Apple aren’t in the business of disappointing their customers. Think of the recent uproar about some tiny software company snagging personal details from their users in order to ‘tell them where their friends are’, ie, your whole address book. Think of the size of the stink that there’d be if Apple even attempted to backtrack.
Nor did they have to remove the iSync of Keychains or iCal; nor POP email. They give to us with one hand and arbitrarily take away with the other. Reliability of an Apple service seems not to be to do with occasional outages or errors but total removal.
I’ve never had a MobileMe account, so I can’t comment on iSync of Keychains because I don’t know what it is. But iCal sync is terrific in the Cloud, as is sync of just about everything else. I’m not sure either what part MobileMe played with POP email, but don’t you have that anyway, just by using Mail? I realise I may be missing something here through ignorance.
Time to look elsewhere I think.
Where?
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On 26 Feb 2012, at 17:08, Bob King wrote:
sorry to raise my cynicism again, but is iCloud (cloud computing in general) and App store, really as altruistic as marketed.
How is it marketed altruistically, Bob? We all know that Apple take a hefty cut on anything they sell, they make no bones about it, surely?
I see the buying of software from the App store and the tie-in to cloud software etc possibly, and I repeat possibly, being the thin edge of the wedge, whereupon, the vast majority of the software enabling both amateur and professional use of a computing platform, desktop, handheld or whatever, becomes server side and completely out of control of the user, both as far as usage AND cost is concerned.
I see signs in Lion and Mountain Lion of this trend.
What signs are you seeing? As far as I can tell, the App Store is just a really useful way of buying and maintaining software—I can’t see any reason to think that it’s all going to become ‘server-side only’ anywhere. As far as cost is concerned, Apps tend to be incredibly reasonably priced. I fancied having Aperture for years, but couldn’t justify the cost as I had Photoshop and Bridge already, and Aperture was £200 or so. It came out on the App Store at £49, and I bought it as fast as I could type. Photoshop Touch has just been released for about £6.99, and it’s absolutely marvellous. I’m not seeing the downside yet. Perhaps I’m being naive…
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At 16:07 +0000 27/2/12, Paul Bradforth wrote:
On 27 Feb 2012, at 15:00, David Ledger wrote:
It’s not any "scam"ability, it’s just will it be there in 5 / 10
years time? Or even 2 years?I’m sure there’ll be a (much improved) version by then. Why would it
disappear?
That’s what I thought about the Gallery, but it’s going.
Apple aren’t in the business of disappointing their customers.
They’ve not got a good record for inventing, pushing for getting
everyone on board, and then dropping.
Publish/Subscribe, the building of applications using simpler
applications (can’t remember what it was called). Not just
applications, that is to be expected, but entire ways of working. The
way they change and drop aspects of the Unix configuration system
makes it difficult to manage alongside other Unix systems. That
peaked at about 10.2. They’ve been dropping stuff ever since.
Think of the recent uproar about some tiny software company snagging
personal details from their users in order to ‘tell them where their
friends are’, ie, your whole address book. Think of the size of the
stink that there’d be if Apple even attempted to backtrack.
They are backtracking on the mobile.me service. Plenty of people are
complaining on the Mac lists.
Nor did they have to remove the iSync of Keychains or iCal; nor
POP email. They give to us with one hand and arbitrarily take away
with the other. Reliability of an Apple service seems not to be to
do with occasional outages or errors but total removal.I’ve never had a MobileMe account, so I can’t comment on iSync of
Keychains because I don’t know what it is. But iCal sync is terrific
in the Cloud, as is sync of just about everything else. I’m not sure
either what part MobileMe played with POP email, but don’t you have
that anyway, just by using Mail? I realise I may be missing
something here through ignorance.
Mail can work with POP or IMAP. I have one ISP that only does POP.
They never advanced to IMAP when it came in. Soon I’ll have anothe
that’s IMAP only. It’s a pointless restriction. POP costs them much
less than IMAP. Every POP customer saves them lots of disc space.
Time to look elsewhere I think.
Where?
That’s the big question
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That’s the big question
Most likely the answer is going to start with capital G at your favorite search company.
iCloud is not the end all or be all, but it also hasn’t been around all that long either so there will certainly be more development there. And I think for it’s simplicity of use it’s hard to compete with since it’s tide into the OS.
I was MobileMe user…barely. I really only used iDisk and Mail with a few photos in a shared directory. At $99 US a year it was a total waste of money. I use Dropbox for file transfers frequently which is not what iCloud is setup for and for most things I have plenty of free “temp” storage. Temp is really the catch word with any of these “cloud” storage services because I don’t trust any of them to be sustainable long term. Local storage is the only predictable choice.
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Any new cloud service will have glitches so TEMP storage is all I would trust it for. Hey IBM had a cloud in the 60s and it still has issues from time to time so go ahead and use the cloud every day but do back up important work.
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That’s the big question
Most likely the answer is going to start with capital G at your favorite search company.
iCloud is not the end all or be all, but it also hasn’t been around all that long either so there will certainly be more development there. And I think for it’s simplicity of use it’s hard to compete with since it’s tide into the OS.
I was MobileMe user…barely. I really only used iDisk and Mail with a few photos in a shared directory. At $99 US a year it was a total waste of money. I use Dropbox for file transfers frequently which is not what iCloud is setup for and for most things I have plenty of free “temp” storage. Temp is really the catch word with any of these “cloud” storage services because I don’t trust any of them to be sustainable long term. Local storage is the only predictable choice.
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On 27 Feb 2012, 5:15 pm, David Ledger wrote:
They’ve not got a good record for inventing, pushing for getting
everyone on board, and then dropping.Publish/Subscribe
Wow. I can’t even tell you how many American Presidents ago that was, much less Apple CEOs.
Show me a tech company that has been in business for any length of time and I’ll show you one that has dropped plenty of ideas that seemed brilliant when they first announced them.
Look, I try to remain realistic about this. I use iCloud and I think it’s great. But, that’s just one place for my data. Even if it wasn’t Apple’s fault that iCloud shut down tomorrow (it is Leap Day, after all), I still have copies of all that data where I need it. In fact, as far as data that’s “synced” (notice how Apple doesn’t use that word when talking about iCloud), one of the cool things is that you don’t need an internet connection to access it. My Contacts are on my iPhone, iPad, MBP, and iCloud. I just need the internet connection to “sync” any changes. If that stopped working, I’d just have to go back to doing it manually.
I do agree that I don’t understand why certain things are taken away, like the Galleries that you mention. But overall, I still see iCloud as Apple giving us more than they did with MobileMe.
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