Need for a better forum?

Okay, lets not beat around the bush here. We’re all Mac users right?
So how about this instead?;

http://www.net4mac.com/english.html

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On Jul 6, 2008, at 5:48 AM, Tom Fenn wrote:

Okay, lets not beat around the bush here. We’re all Mac users right?
So how about this instead?;

http://www.net4mac.com/english.html

Looks good but what’s the catch?

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I’m not too sure yet, but it could be a similar set up to that skitch
thing?
Or we as individuals act as one big server. Don’t know yet
On 6 Jul 2008, at 17:27, Alain Schremmer wrote:

Looks good but what’s the catch?


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That’s very interesting. I signed up to get an idea of how it works and it certainly seems to cover a lot of bases in terms of functionality. I wonder how big the user-base is; is this a new application/service or has it been around awhile? In any case I look forward to using it.

Todd

On Jul 6, 2008, at 4:48 AM, Tom Fenn wrote:

Okay, lets not beat around the bush here. We’re all Mac users right?

So how about this instead?;

http://www.net4mac.com/english.html

I came across it through the Cheetah3D forum. I think a few of their members use it. I’ve been too busy as of late to play around with it. But it does look interesting.

On 6 Jul 2008, at 18:32, Todd wrote:

That’s very interesting. I signed up to get an idea of how it works and it certainly seems to cover a lot of bases in terms of functionality. I wonder how big the user-base is; is this a new application/service or has it been around awhile? In any case I look forward to using it.

Todd

On Jul 6, 2008, at 4:48 AM, Tom Fenn wrote:

Okay, lets not beat around the bush here. We’re all Mac users right?
So how about this instead?;

http://www.net4mac.com/english.html


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You can’t access it without downloading an installing that app, right?


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Right. And you need to create an account/profile.

Todd

On Jul 6, 2008, at 1:09 PM, KeynoteKen wrote:

You can’t access it without downloading an installing that app, right?

On Jul 6, 2008, at 2:09 PM, KeynoteKen wrote:

You can’t access it without downloading an installing that app, right?

Right. And again, I wonder, what’s the catch?

Regards
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Well I guess there is only one way to find out. I’ll have to put my
money where my mouth is- and start one up for Intaglio? It won’t be
immediately because I’ve got a tonne of work to finish. Okay?

PS one good thing about this list forum is that it is great for this
iPod. :slight_smile:

Tom

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On Jul 6, 2008, at 2:09 PM, KeynoteKen wrote:

You can’t access it without downloading an installing that app,
right?

Right. And again, I wonder, what’s the catch?

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On Jul 6, 2008, at 2:57 PM, Tom Fenn wrote:

Well I guess there is only one way to find out. I’ll have to put my
money where my mouth is- and start one up for Intaglio? It won’t be
immediately because I’ve got a tonne of work to finish. Okay?

  1. Minimal courtesy, though, would be to check with Nick.

  2. More generally, maybe wait for response from this list.

  3. Personally, I don’t like the idea of downloading that kind of
    application sight unseen. I looked around to see what kind of review
    there might be. Just about all there is is from Net4Mac and the only
    thing of interest I found was
    “[…] the few unique abilities Net4Mac offers don’t seem to be worth
    keeping the app running and eating system resources.”

    http://macapper.com/2008/04/17/net4mac-social-networking-for-mac-
    lovers/

Regards
–schremmer

PS one good thing about this list forum is that it is great for this
iPod. :slight_smile:

Tom

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On Jul 6, 2008, at 2:09 PM, KeynoteKen wrote:

You can’t access it without downloading an installing that app,
right?

Right. And again, I wonder, what’s the catch?

Regards
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On 6 Jul 2008, at 20:17, Alain Schremmer wrote:

  1. Minimal courtesy, though, would be to check with Nick.

Of course- in fact I was going to invite Nick as moderator

  1. More generally, maybe wait for response from this list.

Also of course :slight_smile:

  1. Personally, I don’t like the idea of downloading that kind of
    application sight unseen.

Well I downloaded it, and the folks on the Cheetah3D forum seem
okay with it, and they are a difficult bunch at the best of times!

As for resources, what kind of setups are most still using here?
I lovely old G4 Ti 500 I had for years, but 1.5 years back I bought
this Macbook Pro- it’s so fast, I doubt that I will need anything else
in a while. I appreciate that some are possibly still using 10.3,
would it
be really difficult for those running old G3’s etc to update?
(especially
as the next OS Snow Leopard is Intel only :¬/ )


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I have a PowerMac G3 B&W running Tiger that I keep for nostalgia and net4mac seems to work fine.

Todd

On Jul 6, 2008, at 2:34 PM, Tom Fenn wrote:

I appreciate that some are possibly still using 10.3, would it be really difficult for those running old G3’s etc to update?

Hey Todd:

Listen, you guys are great, but I do not really understand what you are talking about.

I have access to a mac users group once a month, but they go to fast for me to really implement what they tell me, and then the subject changes.

I am trying to set up ads, the type you see on the back of supermarket cash register tapes, e.g. with a little less detail. I take a graphic cutout of a car or a pizza or something, and wrap some contact data around it, all on top of a nice reproducing color, usually beige or a yellow range. I am involved in environmental issues and don’t have a lot of dough to work with.

I have Apple Works 6 and 2004 Word for Mac. My advertising/retired buddy says Intaglio would be best for me. I have OS X version 10.3.9, a 1.33 ghz Power PC Gr with 1 GB of DDR SDRAM. L2 cache is 512.

I don’t even know how to use Illustrator, Pagemaker or Adobe. I just graduated from college and work freelance in wildlife fundraising for now; how can I get going with these ad setups so that I know what is really going to work for me?

Like most Mac guys, your help is generous, I hope I can understand soon what to do.

Thanks,

will

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From: Todd email@hidden
Subject: Re: Need for a better forum?
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Date: Sunday, July 6, 2008, 4:37 PM
I have a PowerMac G3 B&W running Tiger that I keep for
nostalgia and
net4mac seems to work fine.

Todd

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I appreciate that some are possibly still using 10.3,
would it be
really difficult for those running old G3’s etc to
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No way am I installing that type of application, or subscribing to any service like that. This forum works fine. If you want to post large files put them on a webserver and give the link.

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Yes, heavens forbid!

It’s a Macintosh application! It could be full of viruses!! O_O

Charles, If this forum works fine, how is it that it is currently
impossible to filter
any incoming forum posts into separate dedicated Intaglio Mail boxes?

And wouldn’t you rather place your work on a server which you knew was
more secure than a webserver? If you read the small print that comes
with
most webservers, you will notice that as soon as you upload, you loose
the rights of your work. Would you be happy with that? Because I’m
certainly
not.

On 9 Jul 2008, at 10:06, cdhw wrote:

No way am I installing that type of application, or subscribing to
any service like that. This forum works fine. If you want to post
large files put them on a webserver and give the link.

Charles


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Hi,

posting to a webserver does not inhibit your rights - if they do, don’t use them.

Rights on web services, such as Flikr often use the phrase “non-exclusive” whch means that you are saying “yes, it’s fine for you to show my image to the rest of the world - but I can use it anyweher else without penalty”. The reason for this is that the service in question needs your permission to host the image.

Intellectual copyright, as far as I am aware, remains with the orignator of the work. If the picture online is your orignal work, then it’s yours, unless you have explicitly signed it away to someone else. The boiler plate T&Cs for webservers don’t take all your rights away. You need to agree to them distributing your work.

The other option is to use your own server - and I’d pint out that there are a couple of people on the Freeway lists which offer hosting services. With both packages, you can lump your files in a password protected directory, and only issue a password to those who need it. The distribution rights are far more under your control.

Over on the Freeway forums, and elsewhere, we are asked how to protect images from being downloaded and used by others. The simple answer is this: don’t post if you don’t want it copied. The mere act of seeing an image in a browser requires a copy of it being sent to your machine (hence the distribution parts of many terms and conditons as mentioned above). Anything seen/read/shown/played in a web browser requires a local copy.

The slightly more complex answer which follows is how the file can be munged so it’s OK for display, but useless for other use. This discussion usually centres around bitmaps, as it involves stepping down resolution and applying watermarks.

I would suggest that in the Big Bad World of design, Intaglio is probably not as wide spread as Illustrator (or Freehand) or apps from some of the other larger players. An Intaglio file is pretty much limited to Intaglio, unlike EPS, PDFs or other more popular formats. So I would worry less about posting the file on a webserver than if it were a more popular file format.

ttrw: I am unsure what you mean when you say you can not filter messages. You can set up a rule in your email app to filter messages based on many criteria.


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Hi Paul :slight_smile:

When I say ‘filter’ I mean being able to filter traffic from this
forum to a mailbox at the left hand side of this window. At present, I
have 6 mailboxes set up, and the only one that I have trouble with is
the Intaglio folder, because it is very difficult to get the Apple
Mail application to recognise what traffic is coming from this site.
When I have use Majordomo-based lists in the past, the heading has
always started like this “[listnamehere] title of list topic” making
it very easy for the software to recognise what mail is to be filtered
into specific and dedicated boxes. Do you understand? If you know how
to set the Mail app up, I would love to know :slight_smile:

Tom

On 9 Jul 2008, at 14:39, Paul wrote:

I am unsure what you mean when you say you can not filter messages.
You can set up a rule in your email app to filter messages based on
many criteria.


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It is just a crying shame that you are forced to share Intaglio files
via a separate webserver, than directly though the forum. I can
understand perhaps that files that use images such as bitmaps (bitmaps
can make huge files) can be a pain to save, because of their size- png
files imo are a far better file format than the ugly bitmap.

Anyway thanks for your comments. Perhaps both the existing list and
the net4mac application can be used in tandem? I don’t know?

Tom

On 9 Jul 2008, at 14:39, Paul wrote:

I would suggest that in the Big Bad World of design, Intaglio is
probably not as wide spread as Illustrator (or Freehand) or apps
from some of the other larger players. An Intaglio file is pretty
much limited to Intaglio, unlike EPS, PDFs or other more popular
formats. So I would worry less about posting the file on a webserver
than if it were a more popular file format.


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See, you keep calling this a “forum,” but in reality, it isn’t. It’s a mailing list with a really good web interface for those who would rather use it that way. That is why files cannot be shared here. Files would be mailed to each subscriber.

However, it would be nice if there was some shared space on here where you could post files and link to the file from your message. Security for that kind of thing is tricky, we wouldn’t want some crazed hacker posting all sorts of garbage and filling it up, and that’s probably why it has not been done.

Also, since the forum is primarily for Freeway users with Intaglio “tagging along,” most subscribers have a place where they can put their files online, so it’s not an issue except for a few.


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On 9 Jul 2008, at 15:26, Joe Muscara wrote:

See, you keep calling this a “forum,” but in reality, it isn’t. It’s
a mailing list

Yes I know. I’m fully aware of this! :wink:

with a really good web interface for those who would rather use it
that way

Of course, but don’t you think that this could be a rather
conservative way at looking
at this ‘list forum’? I mean we have Freeway which is supposed to be
this shit-hot web
development software, yet the very nature of what it is advertising
isn’t even used
by it’s little brother application, Intaglio. I want to be wow’ed
(which I kind of was
to begin with, but now I’m not too sure).

I do admit though that having a list is a good way of keeping the
spammers out, but then
again, the obvious way around that, is to have ‘janitors’ that are
given permission to
ban these types. A set of reinforced iron gates, complete with a fleet
of Daleks also
help somewhat ;¬)

Tom


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