Never Install a CMS Again?

Interesting… http://www.pagelime.com/

Here is another one that’s about to be released… http://unify.unitinteractive.com/


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On 20 Aug 2009, 6:23 pm, Pete wrote:

Interesting… http://www.pagelime.com/

Here is another one that’s about to be released… http://unify.unitinteractive.com/

Pagelime is a “hosted” editor. That means if their server goes down, so does the editable parts of your site.

Unify sounds a bit like WebYep. The interesting bit about it is that it uses inlcudes.


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And another on here: http://grabaperch.com/

David

On 20 Aug 2009, at 19:23, Pete wrote:

Here is another one that’s about to be released… http://unify.unitinteractive.com/


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Chucka,
Very good point! I didn’t think of what would happen if the
server went down. Thanks.


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Not a terrible concept, but as been said, reliability could be a concern. Also, whenever your data resides somewhere that you don’t control, having a backup of it is extremely important.

  1. What if, despite the provider’s best efforts, they lose some or all of your data (perhaps they have to go to a backup before your most recent changes)?

  2. What if they get shut down, or you decide for some reason to move away from their services?

In either case, you need your data in more than where they keep it, somewhere that will always be accessible to you. Remember this from your client’s perspective. It is likely they would be upset with any downtime. You need a way to get their site back up in a reasonable amount of time, even if you have to do something like make a temporary static site on your regular server with the most recent content.


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Hi there, I’m Emil, one of the PageLime founders. Thanks for the mention. I’ll try to give some feedback on some of the issues raised above.

Pete - if the our server goes down (we’re cloud based, so fairly reliable), your client’s site stays up. We publish all content through FTP to your site as HTML, XML, and document/image files. It’s actually one of the benefits of having a decoupled system - if you don’t like PageLime, you can leave anytime, as there’s no deep tie-in.

Joe - As mentioned above, all of the data is published to your client’s site, and outages on our side do not affect the uptime of your site at all. Also, we have an data export API in BETA that essentially allows you to get access to all of your data, including user accounts and content revisions. This API is mainly meant for data backup and plugins, but could be used to drive highly interactive features of a site as well (though we don’t openly recommend this, as then there is a degree of tie in with PageLime)

Ultimately, you can brand PageLime with your own logo and color scheme, and abstract away any benefit to your clients and get the full credit :).

Hope this trend of light and decoupled CMS tools keeps growing. I encourage folks to reach out to us via Twitter @PageLime with questions, comments, suggestions, or gripes. We’d love to hear from you!

Also - take a look at our blog (blog.pagelime.com) for some more opinion and experimental features we’re rolling out.

Happy Editing!


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Hi Emil,
Thank you for answering some of the issues. Congratulations on a wonderful product. “You have my vote”.
All the best.

Pete


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Unify launched today http://unify.unitinteractive.com/

Looks great for smaller sites only $16 per domain, maybe one of the action writers can actionify it.

Marcel


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Unify works best in conjunction with proper markup. 
In fact, Unify will function poorly or not at all if 
used on pages with badly written HTML. For instance, 
regardless of the requirements of your <DOCTYPE>, 
always close all tags. Unify will bring the hurt down upon you if you do not.

A unify element (one with class=”unify”) must be a block-level 
element …except for <li>, <dt> or <dd>. It is best to 
apply Unify to the <ul>, <ol> or <dl> if you want to make 
list items editable. For more information about what constitutes 
a block-level element, we recommend you visit 
https://developer.mozilla.org/En/HTML/Block-level_elements .

Unify Elements do not nest. A unify element cannot be put 
inside of another unify element, and a unifyRepeat element 
cannot be placed inside another unifyRepeat, etc. This will 
not ruin anything, but the nested elements will not show 
up. Also, if you want an editable element within a 
unifyRepeatArea, it can only be a unifyRepeat element. 
unify elements in a unifyRepeatArea will just not load in the interface.

Unify does its best to replicate your page style in the 
editor, but if things look off in the editor, try moving the 
unify class to the closest parent element from the one you 
want to edit. If that still is a little off, move it to the next 
parent, etc., being careful that it does not contain an <include>, 
or another unify element (see previous item).

At this time, Unify will remove any inline styles from a 
unify element when saving, so try not to use them.

It’s not clear (without buying Unify) what is and what is not possible at this point.


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This will also be a complete deal-breaker for Freeway, as it is
woefully difficult to get it to do anything BUT inline styles.

Walter

On Aug 25, 2009, at 3:04 PM, chuckamuck wrote:

At this time, Unify will remove any inline styles from a
unify element when saving, so try not to use them.


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This will also be a complete deal-breaker for Freeway, as it is
woefully difficult to get it to do anything BUT inline styles.

Freeway’s Achilles heel shows itself once again. Come on 6.0!

Perhaps the Unify people will also address this quickly?


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Psst… PageLime works pretty well with broken markup :), and PageLime elements can be nested. In fact, it’s pretty cool to nest editable images into editable areas and use the zoom-crop feature.

As long as your editable tags are closed, you don’t have to worry about XHTML strict or if markup around the editable areas is clean.

That said - write good markup! Don’t be lazy just because the tools let you, or because quirks mode takes care of the rendering issues. We should always strive to write valid code and be good netizens.

Does Unify work only with PHP like Perch? PageLime works with any of the platforms - Rails, PHP, Java, Django, ASP.NET etc.

I don’t want to rain on the Unify Release Parade :slight_smile: - it’s been in the works for a long time and it looks to be a great alternative to Perch. Congrats on the release!


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PageLime may sound interesting, but it is a hosted service. The “cloud” aspect may seem promising, it is still handing responsibility over to a third party to support the service.

To be fair, Unify has it’s issues also with regard to Freeway so far.


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Hi,

Also have a look at a new product caled Pulse CMS (PulseCMS.com). Its a similar concept to those above but open source.


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I just tried Pulse CMS and it is super easy to implement with FW. It is perfect for basic content updates.

Marcel


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I just tried Pulse CMS and it is super easy to implement

Yes I agree it looks very interesting.

David


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The more I play with it he more I like it.

Marcel


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Glad you are liking Pulse. Check back soon as there will be an updated version in the next week sometime. (With image uploader/manager)


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Seems PulseCMS has the same problem as Unify because it modifies the html outside of Freeway. No?


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I don’t have any experience using markup in Freeway. How do you embed
the blocks at specific locations on the page?

Thanks,
Jacob

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I just tried Pulse CMS and it is super easy to implement with FW.
It is perfect for basic content updates.

Marcel


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