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Tom,

I have several old (pre-FW4) sites that are several hundred pages each. A re-design is not feasible for them either, but they need simple annual updates. My plan is to keep an old computer that is capable of running FW 5.5. I’ve updated these old sites to 5.5 and I will leave them there. For any new work, I will use FW 7 or whatever I will start using when I determine a FW replacement. If keeping an old computer is not feasible, a clone backup is an option. I did this recently when I made the jump from Snow Leopard to El Capitan. That is my “long range plan” as best I have it and I suspect it will get me several years down the road with these legacy sites.

I think someone might have mentioned it, but Pinegrow is an app that several on this thread are talking about. Nothing will open your .freeway sites but Freeway, but several apps can open your .html sites. From what I can tell, your “easiest and quickest” alternative is to get FW running. Something like Pinegrow might be great if you just want to make a couple of quick text changes, but I’m not sure I’d want to do a major overhaul with it. For me, it would make more sense to start over from scratch.

As far as FW 7 being more “stable” than 4 or 5, I’m not sure I would say that. I never felt like the earlier versions were particularly unstable. Sure, every app crashes now and again, but careful saving and disciplined use of backups always worked fine for me. The biggest advantage of the later versions of FW is what they did with responsive design. I don’t think that’s something you really care to tackle right now. Have you considered picking up a copy of FW 5 off of Amazon? You won’t be able to upgrade it, but it would probably get you out of the current bind you are in. Just a note, as I remember, there was a significant stability increase moving from FW 5.0-5.5 — just something to keep in mind as you look at versions.


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Thanks Doty.

Yes I have two old Macbooks that run OS10, so I’ll try to keep them going as my back-up. The problem will be that the sites will evolves on OS11, if my plan works, so synchronising them will not be easy.

When I started there was no easy way to partition my server, so I have 10 urls all pointing at different sections of one very large website.

Ideally I’d keep that intact as its worked for 16 years, but I realise this may no longer be possible. Three or four of the sections do need to be responsive (had to look that up again :slight_smile:

I will look at Pinegro and the many others, but it’s a daunting task to be honest.

I have a demo version of 7 running live now, upgraded via 5.5 as suggested, and that’s looking ok at the moment. Just the permanent serial number to sort, and I’m on with that.

Thanks again everyone.

Tom


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My offer still stands: you can have my key for FW7. I quit using Freeway.


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Wimdg, can you email me please: email@hidden

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I am confused! I was too slow upgrading from 6 to 7and although it is still possible to download 7, it isn’t possible to pay for it or obtain a serial number. So what is the point in making it available?

On a legal point, I would have thought that as Softpress no longer exist, and no longer register users against a serial number, then we are free to exchange and reuse serial numbers as we wish?


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I am confused! I was too slow upgrading from 6 to 7and although it is still possible to download 7, it isn’t possible to pay for it or obtain a serial number. So what is the point in making it available?

For people who need need the latest (the last) version AND who paid for it. Which is sadly, not you.

On a legal point, I would have thought that as Softpress no longer exist, and no longer register users against a serial number, then we are free to exchange and reuse serial numbers as we wish?

So, when you are dead we are free to pick your pockets and go through your stuff? Hells no! The same here as somebody-- whether investors or creditors or whomever-- somebody still claims legal rights to it.

Of course, you can buy someone’s existing license… mine’s for sale for only USD$1,000,000.


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Twat!


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I very much doubt that there will be many people who paid for the upgrade, but did not download before the upgrade facility was discontinued. So my hunch would be, and it is backed up by the wording in their messages, that Richard and Joe are trying to be helpful, as I’m sure they would wish to be.

In legal terms I think you may be mistaken, anyway, The Big. I understand that there would be no claim against anyone who bought, sold, gave away or received a serial number, as long as it was still only used by the required number of users.

The loss of Freeway has left many users in a big pickle, and gloating over their discomfort is not something I’d ever expect from the Freeway team, and I’m disappointed to find it here in the community.


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Historian, please google me at either of the two Leeds universities and send me an email.


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among other stupid things TomBliss writes:

The loss of Freeway has left many users in a big pickle, and gloating over their discomfort is not something I’d ever expect from the Freeway team, and I’m disappointed to find it here in the community.

Snarky ≠ gloating.

Yes, it is true that I am an ass… but I have also been an actual contributor to the “community” with thousands of posts which, snarky or not, were true and helpful. So lecture away mister “pity me, give me free stuff”. You and mister “twat” are now in charge f this community.

And in case anyone else is confused, I was never a member of Team Freeway. That was their mistake.


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On 22 Aug 2016, 1:50 pm, TomBliss wrote:

Historian, please google me at either of the two Leeds universities and send me an email.

… why not posting the serial here?

It would spare us many idiots rushing in, commenting in an outrageous and suffering way for an application that they don’t understand anyway!

@historian

You venture calling people “Twat”? What gives you the right doing this? Try behaving adult because you talk to adults.

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I very much doubt Freeway would have appreciated your diplomatic skills. Alienating honest well-meaning customers is a sure-fire route to failure. I have not read your ‘thousands of posts’ but if they were as arrogant, unsympathetic and wrongheaded as the above, I would hazard that they would have done more damage to the brand than whatever good you believed you were contibuting. But maybe you only recently became a resentful bully.

If so one wonders why, if you have not lost employment here.

If you read our posts properly, instead of shooting your mouth into your foot, you will notice that both Historian and I went to Softpress with our wallets open. As honest customers. We didn’t buy upgrades before because we didn’t need them yet. Would you buy a mandocello? Or hair curlers? Or a spare engine for a 747? I suspect not.

Don’t blame us for Freeway’s failure. I may not be as clever at programming websites as you are, but that does not lay me open to abuse. For all you know I may posess skills that you could only dream of. Not that it would matter one jot.

Your knowledge of the Freeway architecture is utterly irrelevant in this discussion. Freeway was succesful because it appealed to non-coding designers. But then that very USP became a millstone. And no amount of new features was going to develop that saturated market - eroded, I suspect, by wordpress. Sometimes the function of a website is more important than its code. Actually always. Don’t shoot the messenger and don’t expect respect when you behave like a ten-year-old.


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Thomas - “idiots rushing in, commenting in an outrageous and suffering way for an application that they don’t understand anyway!”

No-one said that Freeway customers should understand every nuance of the program to use it. There was no exam to be passed before we were allowed to spend our money on the product.

I bought Freeway 1. It did what I wanted it to do, so I learned how to use it to my advantage, and have continued to do so ever since. This does not make me an idiot. It makes me a customer.

If you don’t understand that, and if this forum has been full of such outrageous, spiteful and brutal attacks on honest people asking for help then I’m not surprised that Freeway died.

You should both be ashamed of yourselves - though I doubt either you have the capacity.

Over and out


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‘thousands of posts’ but if they were as arrogant, unsympathetic and wrongheaded as the above, I would hazard that they would have done more damage to the brand than whatever good you believed you were contibuting. But maybe you only recently became a resentful bully.

2.859 - to be precise. And this one.

Yes - they’re all arrogant and mostly unsympathetic - it’s the pain being an asshole. I stand for it. But they are not wrongheaded, at least most of them!

If you read our posts properly …

If you might read them yourself, you may have recognized that some of them are already from me!

Don’t blame us for Freeway’s failure.

You’re part of - not more not less!

Your knowledge of the Freeway architecture is utterly irrelevant in this discussion. Freeway was succesful because it appealed to non-coding designers. But then that very USP became a millstone. And no amount of new features was going to develop that saturated market - eroded, I suspect, by wordpress. Sometimes the function of a website is more important than its code. Actually always. Don’t shoot the messenger and don’t expect respect when you behave like a ten-year-old.

It’s its content - nothing else. And the way you represent it. Nothing to do with code. Adult enough?

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“It’s its content - nothing else. And the way you represent it. Nothing to do with code. Adult enough?”

Absolutely, so why dump on people just because they don’t understand all the technical nooks and crannies - most of which they never wanted or needed?

My comments were to The Big E.

We are NOT part of Freeways’s failure. It is outrageous that you should even think that. Do you have an old coat you like, perhaps, that maybe you bough in a shop that since went out of business? You blaming me for Softpress going down is the same as me blaming you for the shop closing. I had a product that did what I wanted. I knew I would have to upgrade when I eventually moved to El Capitan, so I when the moment came I came with my money to upgrade. But the door was shut. Not my fault - and it’s is shocking that you and Ernest should ever think it was.

Please go into a quiet corner and think about what you did.


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How do I stop emails from coming in from this the posts.
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Click on the bottom-most link in the Web view of the mailing list. Locate the list memberships portion of the form, un-check Mail next to the lists where it is checked. Press the Update Memberships button. The mail should stop, although you will be able to post to the list and read replies through the Web interface. I believe (but can’t confirm) that you may also still be able to create new threads by sending a new mail message to the list address, but you just won’t get any updates from it.

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How do I stop emails from coming in from this the posts.
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Frankly downright rude comments like these have no place on this forum which until recently had been a very friendly community. If you can’t reply in a polite manner then maybe it is best not to comment at all.

We all use Freeway in our own way and to continue to misrepresent how Freeway can/should be used does nobody any favours. Yes your contributions to this forum have been extremely interesting and very useful but the recent bitter attacks are totally uncalled for. All it achieves is to drive people away from this community and I can’t see how that benefits anyone.

If you don’t have anything positive and polite to say then please don’t press the ‘send’ button. As Thomas said is a previous post, maybe "End of transmission and out!” should have been taken literally.

Gordon


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So lecture away mister “pity me, give me free stuff”. You and mister “twat” are now in charge f this community.

And in case anyone else is confused, I was never a member of Team Freeway. That was their mistake.

On 22 Aug 2016, at 9:55pm, Thomas Kimmich email@hidden wrote:

It would spare us many idiots rushing in, commenting in an outrageous and suffering way for an application that they don’t understand anyway!


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Is there anywhere I can still get a copy of the last version in the 6.xx series of FWP?

I’ve got a serial - in fact the reason I discovered Softpress had put up the shutters is because I was looking at upgrading to V7, but that’s no longer an option.

I’m not a web designer, my original attraction to FWP was when I was doing a PhD. Being able to create a decent looking site without having to learn code was a major plus point. Not that I couldn’t have learnt code, but the time it would take would be a distraction from other activities.

Very sad news. I had a lot of help from the folks here back in the day and I did once drop into Softpress towers and met the crew. Lovely friendly bunch of people.


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