[Pro] Multiple undo in Freeway

I am sure I am not the first person to mention this but when will Freeway have a multiple undo feature? Sometimes I just want to experiment and things don’t always work the way I would like, but having to repeatedly quit Freeway without saving during the day and then starting again rather than just going back a few steps is a real pain and by version 5.4.2 I’d say this change is years overdue.


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No need to quit, Ashley. When you want to experiment, save your
document before you start at a point your are happy with and then play
with what you want. If it’s not working out go to the ‘File’ menu and
select ‘Revert to Saved’ - which takes you back to the last saved
state. Without quitting FW.

HTH Colin

On 1 Dec 2009, at 13:17, Ashley wrote:

I am sure I am not the first person to mention this but when will
Freeway have a multiple undo feature? Sometimes I just want to
experiment and things don’t always work the way I would like, but
having to repeatedly quit Freeway without saving during the day and
then starting again rather than just going back a few steps is a
real pain and by version 5.4.2 I’d say this change is years overdue.


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Sometime around 1/12/09 (at 08:17 -0500) Ashley said:

I am sure I am not the first person to mention this but when will
Freeway have a multiple undo feature?

You’re right, this isn’t the first time that’s been asked! :slight_smile: As for
the answer, it seems this is still the low-down: it appears that
doing this would require a fundamental change to the document and/or
application architecture. Hence not having it yet. This also means
that it isn’t the sort of thing that would appear in an incremental
upgrade.

having to repeatedly quit Freeway without saving during the day and
then starting again rather than just going back a few steps is a
real pain

Don’t quit Freeway, just close the document without saving. That
should turn a major pain into a medium or perhaps even minor pain…
Or - just don’t make mistakes. :slight_smile:

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I save the file file pretty frequently and I guess the revert to saved feature is useful but even so a multiple undo feature really is something that is long overdue. Sometimes you can make 4 or 5 positive steps and think all is going well, but then a mistake occurs. Who really wants to save a file with every few clicks of a mouse simply to avoid this problem?


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I have a cool suggestion for Softpress. Just do it!


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Sometime around 1/12/09 (at 08:43 -0500) Ashley said:

I have a cool suggestion for Softpress. Just do it!

:slight_smile:

I’m 24-carat certain that the guys and girls at Softpress would love
to have this thing nailed too. I would love to have multiple undos -
although of course I never make mistrakes… :wink:

But, having had a certain amount of programming experience in the
past, I’m just as certain that this is one hell of a task. There’s no
reason whatsoever NOT to do it other than the level of work required,
so I’m sure it will come.

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OK, I’ll throw the cat among the pigeons now for the sake of discussion. Nearly every time I hear a suggestion made to improve Freeway the reply comes back that it would require a major rewrite and a great deal of work. Freeway still behaves very much like an application from pre OS X times in many ways and I don’t have the feeling it has really kept step with developments in web design.

After various pro versions using the same basic working concept I really think that Softpress need to do something completely revolutionary if they want to stay in the game and be considered as a serious pro application. Recent upgrades have felt like a patch on a patch to move something forward and the lack of multiple undos in 2009 is a perfect example of clearly existing limitations. Put in another way, unless the next version of Freeway includes some amazing breakthrough improvements my credit card will stay firmly in my wallet.


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I agree. Voting with your wallet can be very effective. If that
doesn’t work nothing will.

Todd
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On Dec 1, 2009, at 1:29 PM, Ashley wrote:

Nearly every time I hear a suggestion made to improve Freeway the
reply comes back that it would require a major rewrite and a great
deal of work. Freeway still behaves very much like an application
from pre OS X times in many ways and I don’t have the feeling it has
really kept step with developments in web design.

Put in another way, unless the next version of Freeway includes some
amazing breakthrough improvements my credit card will stay firmly in
my wallet.


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They’re a nice bunch of people offering outstanding Support and I will support them whatever. And I’m grateful they brought ‘useable’ web design to people like me. They put Adobe to shame and I would like to see them continue.

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I would also like to see them continue Kryten, but I still think the software needs a serious revamp and I won’t be swayed next time by a few basic actions and a couple of minor tweaks here and there. My comments are not meant to criticise anybody personally at softpress, but in business nobody continues to spend money and support a company unless there is a worthwhile incentive to do so.

I hope Freeway will amaze us all and produce something completely new with the next upgrade that redefines the way we work and drastically improves our productivity. There are legions of Mac users out there waiting for such a product. A few weeks ago I had my photography website redesigned and it was a simple clean design, but I still concluded that it would have been very difficult to achieve in Freeway, so I ended up having the job done by a somebody else.


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and produce something completely new with the next upgrade that redefines the way we work and drastically improves our productivity

I am afraid that will be unlikely - the simple fact of the matter is that there is no ‘Magic Bullet’ available to do what you want - in any web application.

I think what is more than likely is that CSS implementation will be the most greatly improved feature. And this will probably be of more benefit to the more ‘professional’ FW users out there, not the likes of you and me.

As to the redesign of your own site - I think that many FW users would disagree that ‘it would have been very difficult to achieve in Freeway’ - post a link to it and let us see for ourselves.

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There may be no magic bullet but there are several things that could be drastically improved in Freeway and I often wonder if a fresh start wouldn’t be the right way forward rather than trying to add patches to an essentially old piece of software. As an example look at how easy it is to create a contact form inside Rapidweaver compared to Freeway and why can’t we see magic guides to automatically tell us when an image or piece of text is centred?

My website that I had designed for me recently is at http://www.ashleykaryl.com


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how easy it is to create a contact form inside Rapidweaver compared to Freeway

I have never tried Rapidweaver so can’t really comment about that one but what I will say is that I find Tim’s PHP Feedbackform action a breeze to use. And once you have created 1 it can be reused in multiple sites with only some styling changes to get it to look right at home.

Your photography is excellent Ashley, but there is nothing on your site that cannot be achieved quite easily with FW.

And there are things that are not quite right either - have a look at this screenshot from your ‘about’ page

See how the lines break in the wrong places.

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Personally I think that site would have been very hard to do in Freeway but on a another subject what browser are you using? I’ve viewed that page on Camino, Safari, FireFox, I.E and Chrome without ever seeing line breaks like that.


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For those of you who may be interested I am just trying out this program…Foreversave…

http://tool-forcesw.com/foreversave/

it appears that it will autosave project in any program you are working in at times specified by you, every minute, 5 minutes or whatever you require, even when you swap programs, it works a little like time machine and gives you the option to revert back to an earlier version of a project.

I found it as I was looking for a way to back up my work after FW crashed twice recently and since I appear to be a bear with little brain ( Paddington ) I quite often get so engrossed in what I am doing I forget to save often enough, one hours work down the pan ( twice ) D’oh !

you do need enough space to save the versions of your project and it can be set to delete them all once you save the final version and quit, or not…

useful alternative to multiple undo, not the same I know but a useful alternative none the less

oh and btw it is pretty good value I think at $14.95

Gary


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what browser are you using?

Safari 4.0.4 - but you get the same line breaks if you enlarge the text in Firefox. (Zoom text only)

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Ahh, so you enlarged the text to make it do that. I’ve shown it to lots of people and nobody has so far needed to enlarge the text for reading. Viewed normally the line breaks are fine.


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No - the first one (screenshot) in Safari was at normal text size!

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Then I think you may have something wrong. The line breaks in the code don’t appear in those places like your screenshot and the site has been viewed on numerous computers from an ancient low res 14 inch laptop right up to 30 inch monitors with a whole range of browsers both on Mac and Windows. It has never looked wrong at normal viewing size.

I have Safari 4.0.4 here and it’s fine at normal size on the iMac. Do you have some kind of preference perhaps that overrides minimum font sizes? That is the only way I can think of that this could happen. My minimum font size in Safari is 10 and I’ll bet you have it set to 12 or more. Chrome and FireFox don’t appear to have this option. I am not sure about I.E because I haven’t got the laptop close at hand.


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Well visually they don’t Ashley (the line breaks), but if you look at your actual code you’re rather lucky the text works as it does. Your text in that section is not wrapped in:

< p > < / p >

tags (without the spaces inbetween), so as I said, you’re somewhat lucky that even works. If you were to code that correctly you’d want to wrap each paragraph of text inside of a paragraph tag. This would look like (without spaces inbetween the carrots):

< p >Enter text here< / p >
< p >More text here< / p >
< p >Look more text< / p >

You put too much importance on the browser ‘figuring it out’. Also by the looks of your code, you didn’t use FW so I can see how that may have occurred. If you evaluate your code some more you’ll see that you have some extra

tags in certain areas (after the last blurb of text) and that may be why the browser does that. I only noticed the line breaks when I made the text smaller by 2, so command + - twice and see what I mean using Safari 4.04.

It’s also important to note that the target market for RapidWeaver is completely non-coders, but you’ll also notice how much you have to pay to get a true WYSIWYG out of RapidWeaver or even the remote freedom you get in FW. It is also heavily template based and we all know FW’s templates are sparse which forces a bit of creativity in the design process. RapidWeaver is also very heavily plugin based while FW actually requires some know how on putting things together and true it does require some actions to work, but FW action developers charge reasonable prices or even no prices to implement things for people they don’t have to do anything for.

You’ll also want to notice there’s no RapidWeaver Pro. It’s simply built for simple things to be done simply.

I am going to agree with Dave and say that a site like this, while nice and clean and with beautiful photographs, wouldn’t be complicated at all to build using FW. It’s just what you choose to work with and that’s OK to be anti-FW. We’re all trying to build a better product in the end to suit our different web needs.

+1 vote for multiple undo’s.


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