Thank you Jeremy. It is important for the community to hear about the next version of Freeway 
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Oh, I really hope that FW8 comes out before macOS goes 64 bit only. I’ve been a satisfied user since 2001 if I remember right. And I’d hate to move to another tool.
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Hello,
I am from Germany, use freeway for 4 years and am happy to hear that it still goes on !!!
I’ll be there as soon as a new version is available
greetings
Tim
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Hi Peter,
Freeway 7.1.4 works fine on Mojave 10.14.1 (apart from the first time warning it’s not 64bit)
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Hi Bert,
And indeed anyone who has moved to Mojave
I’m curious how you got on with upgrading to Mojave.
I’m thinking to move to Mojave, but am hesitating before committing to the change!
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Hi Jeremy,
Thank you .I 'll wait patiently and continue working with Freeway 7 on my old iMac. Hopefully the computer will last for a while ; )
I am waiting for the release of Freeway 8 to buy a new Mac so that I can avoid any possible compatibility problems.
All the best
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I currently am using Freeway 7 again in order to rebuild an earlier FW project in favour of another FW user. The list of pet peeves already is a mile long, so I’m really looking forward to ‘Freeway8’ or whatever the next flagship of Softpress will be baptised.
An CSS editor like the late CSSEdit would be more than welcome …
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On 26 Nov 2018, 10:35 pm, Richard van Heukelum wrote:
An CSS editor like the late CSSEdit would be more than welcome …
I would hope it would be MUCH better than that. To most people, that looks like code. I would hope that things would only look like that if you dig into Advanced or Extended settings but for most people you’d just have Styles that made sense (and worked better than the old versions where they kept duplicating themselves, etc.).
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I would have to agree with Joe. Anything like that should be well hidden as an advanced feature, otherwise we may as well be using BBEdit to build our sites.
I have moved on and no longer using Freeway, but I drop by occasionally just to see if there is an update. Surely there should be something more concrete by now if genuine progress is being made towards Freeway 8.
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I second that. I’ve been using it since it first updated and have encountered no problems at all.
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A quick message of support for your wonderful product and wishing you all a smooth development of FW8!
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I just upgraded yesterday to OS 10:14 and have had no problems with it and Freeway Pro 7.1.4.
Off topic and unrelated, but I did have a hiccup in the Mojave upgrade with my Documents and Desktop folders. They ended up in iCloud, rather than on my desktop. About an hour with Apple tech support got it worked out. I had to reload the content of those folders from my TimeMachine to my Mac. She said she had received other calls with the same problem. I don’t think I can summarize the issue (I’m fairly low tech). But if you’re upgrading to Mojave, I suggest that you have rock-solid backups of your stuff before hitting the “Upgrade” button.
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On 5 Dec 2018, 4:22 am, Jim Feeney wrote:
Off topic and unrelated, but I did have a hiccup in the Mojave upgrade with my Documents and Desktop folders. They ended up in iCloud, rather than on my desktop. About an hour with Apple tech support got it worked out. I had to reload the content of those folders from my TimeMachine to my Mac. She said she had received other calls with the same problem. I don’t think I can summarize the issue (I’m fairly low tech). But if you’re upgrading to Mojave, I suggest that you have rock-solid backups of your stuff before hitting the “Upgrade” button.
That’s a feature, not a bug. I use it all the time. It allows me to have my Documents and Desktop folders on whatever Mac I’m using if I’m logged into iCloud. I can also access those folders from my iOS devices. Also, it’s kind of* an off-site backup. If a tree falls on this iMac, those files won’t be lost with this computer. I can pick up another Mac, log into iCloud, and there they are.
*I still do real backups with both Time Machine and Carbon Copy Cloner including two drives that are rotated off-site, so don’t worry about me.
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On 5 Dec 2018, 4:22 am, Jim Feeney wrote:
Off topic and unrelated, but I did have a hiccup in the Mojave upgrade with my Documents and Desktop folders. They ended up in iCloud, rather than on my desktop. About an hour with Apple tech support got it worked out. I had to reload the content of those folders from my TimeMachine to my Mac. She said she had received other calls with the same problem. I don’t think I can summarize the issue (I’m fairly low tech). But if you’re upgrading to Mojave, I suggest that you have rock-solid backups of your stuff before hitting the “Upgrade” button.
That’s a feature, not a bug. I use it all the time. It allows me to have my Documents and Desktop folders on whatever Mac I’m using if I’m logged into iCloud. I can also access those folders from my iOS devices. Also, it’s kind of* an off-site backup. If a tree falls on this iMac, those files won’t be lost with this computer. I can pick up another Mac, log into iCloud, and there they are.
*I still do real backups with both Time Machine and Carbon Copy Cloner including two drives that are rotated off-site, so don’t worry about me.
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Thanks Joe. Good input. The Apple tech support lady said she was “old school” like me — she wanted her Documents and Desktop folders to be literally on her Mac, not just representing what was in the cloud.
Since I only use my one home-based computer, I don’t miss that nice portability function you described. But I do back up to 3 at-home devices. Plus I send key files and folders, including Documents and Desktop, up to Google Drive storage, so as to have off-site backup.
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I would suggest that any of you pondering a move to Mojave do a test install on an external drive, then launch Freeway and test your ACTIONS. I did that and found Caxton was totally obliterated from every page in all my sites, as I described in the following thread:
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On 27 Nov 2018, 12:01 pm, Joe Muscara wrote:
On 26 Nov 2018, 10:35 pm, Richard van Heukelum wrote:
An CSS editor like the late CSSEdit would be more than welcome …
I would hope it would be MUCH better than that. To most people, that looks like code. I would hope that things would only look like that if you dig into Advanced or Extended settings but for most people you’d just have Styles that made sense (and worked better than the old versions where they kept duplicating themselves, etc.).
I disagree. As you can see at the right there’s the visual editor. The middle section ‘shows’ whatever you are doing, it shows the generated CSS, and where you had to navigate to the advanced options of every freakin’ css option within the old Freeway, here you can intervene directly whenever you want or need to. If not, just don’t. It’s that easy.
– Richard
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Personally I use the new software called Nicepage waiting for Freeway 8
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“but you will have to write styles/stylesheets and apply those to your document. In fact, even blend modes are possible, mixing multiple images and create a mask from images. But it’s all on css and your experience level on Freeway.”
What I miss (being more a graphic designer than web developer) is the Actions that were usable in the previous versions of Freeway. Would it be possible to develop a library of CSS style sheets that could be copied and pasted as a substitute for the lost Actions (and possibly much more)?
Kevin
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Kevin, nobody official has said that Actions were off the table. I think what people have been talking about here are basic improvements to the ergonomics of the style interface. In the current interface, there are two basic problems that I can see:
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The names of attributes are subtly (or in some cases, not so subtly) different from their actual CSS names. Part of this is the heritage of Freeway, as a child of desktop publishing, it follows the typesetting names for things (leading vs line-spacing) in preference to the CSS names. This is great if you are not trying to follow along with an example you found on the Web, because you can use your DTP experience directly on the Web. But if you are trying to emulate something that was written using the actual CSS names for things, then you have to maintain a mapping in your head from CSS-speak to Designer-speak.
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There’s a massive learning cliff between the easy-mode pickers and values in the Edit Style dialog and the Extended attributes, where you can do EVERYTHING ELSE. One of the things that CSSEdit got absolutely correct in its interface was that you could use the easy-mode pickers to change things (and you would always be restricted to only the legal values), but as you made those changes, the actual CSS would be updated in the middle pane, and you could learn (slowly at first) what these changes looked like in actual style sheets. The training wheels were there to actually train you in the language of Web styling. And if you were a CSS ninja, you could simply type your code in the middle pane, and you would get exactly what you wanted. (And the pickers of the easy-mode interface would update to match whatever you typed.
Extended (in all its many implementations in Freeway) is the secret sauce that allowed people like me, with a penchant for learning how things actually work under the hood, stay within Freeway for far longer than otherwise reasonable. Being able to do real visual design, but then go deep under the hood with tweezers kept it interesting and viable for me as the scope of my work moved radically into database-driven design and application programming.
Not everyone needs that, but the way that the current Freeway interface goes from hands-off to do-whatever-you-like misses an opportunity to teach you something about how the Web works. I came to this party at the beginning (and I brought ice), when the culture of browsers and the pages and applications that ran in them was much more DIY. View Source was a top-level menu item in every browser. I learned a whole lot about how Freeway worked by using it to design a page, then viewing the source in a browser (or a programmer’s text editor). I could change things visually and see what the difference was in the generated HTML. This served me well when I started learning how to use all the various Markup and Extended interfaces to inject my own code into the visual page. I was highly motivated to learn this, and the way that the interface was structured made it more difficult than it could have been. Given the one-way nature of how Freeway worked and works, this is not entirely surprising. I’ll be excited to see what Jeremy can accomplish once freed from the strictures of 20+ year-old programming practices.
Walter
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Richard
“but you will have to write styles/stylesheets and apply those to your document. In fact, even blend modes are possible, mixing multiple images and create a mask from images. But it’s all on css and your experience level on Freeway.”What I miss (being more a graphic designer than web developer) is the Actions that were usable in the previous versions of Freeway. Would it be possible to develop a library of CSS style sheets that could be copied and pasted as a substitute for the lost Actions (and possibly much more)?
Kevin
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I certainly don’t hope that whenever Apple releases it’s new OS, which probably no longer will support 32 bit apps, Softpress won’t be ready … but just think about a scenario that they will be ready … in that case any Freeway 8 should hit beta fase right about now, wouldn’t it? Otherwise it will just be an unfinished 64 bit app.
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