[Pro] Still struggling with background image

Sigh. This is a very early draft of a new site. You can see that I have a background image with a centered white page for the text and photos. (The master page is set to center.)

Now, when I’ve done this sort of thing using a Photoshop template with a background color and a white shape in the middle, no problem. I suppose that’s because I can then define the background color to match in the Freeway file.

However, with a tiling image, it appears I have no option but to add a white-filled HTML item in the middle – a klutzy thing that I currently have locked in the background, but I can see will still bring me problems.

Any better solution?

http://www.laurabelgrave.com/tester/kutner.html


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How about this …

http://fwdemo.rvanheukelum.com/laura.belgrave/its.the.law/index.html


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For your convenience, a freeway file as well: http://fwdemo.rvanheukelum.com/laura.belgrave/its_the_law.zip

It’s just a made-in-5-seconds-example, but I think you’re looking for something like this?

Richard


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WOW! I just saw this, Richard, or I would have responded earlier. (For some reason I no longer get notifications if someone responded to a post I generated.)

Anyway, I won’t have time to explore this until tomorrow, but I SO look forward to it. You are a gem. This whole board is wonderful, but the “hands-on” stuff like this is gold.

Will report back.


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Difference in timezones don’t help much either :wink:


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Simply …

  • An outer DIV (no background color, just a border, flexible height).
  • An inner DIV (white background color, 10px margin to create the transparency between the white and border, flexible height).
  • Some content (nested DIV’s).

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Ahhh . . . bummer. The Freeway file you sent me couldn’t be opened with my version, which is the lastest of Freeway 5 Pro. Did you create it in Pro 6? I’ve been reluctant to upgrade until all bugs are resolved. Darn it.


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That is to say, I’m on Freeway Pro 5.6.5.


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Yup, it’s a FW6 document. I create all new docs in FW6, try old ones in FW6 … when they break up I try to fix them in FW6, if it doesn’t work out (or just is to much work when the files are enormous) I’ll stick to FW5.6.5 for that particular project. But FW6 is pretty darn safe.

But I can do this just as easy in FW5, it’s a simple thing.

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Meanwhile, just download the 30-Day tryout for FW6, so you can look at the document and try duplicating it yourself in FW 5.6.5.
It’s good practice as well :wink:


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I guess I’ll bite the bullet and download FW 6 today. But if something “doesn’t work out,” how do I downgrade to reopen a file in FW 5.6.5?


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You cannot, ever, open a version 6 file in a previous version of Freeway
Pro.

When you open a ver. 5 file with Pro6 - the application makes a special
backup on your first Save – though you CAN also duplicate the file before
opening, thus retaining a “backup” of the backup. Whatever.

But any work you do in 6 is stuck forever in 6.

Welcome to The Learning Curve :wink:


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On Sun, Mar 3, 2013 at 8:11 AM, LauraB email@hidden wrote:

I guess I’ll bite the bullet and download FW 6 today. But if something
“doesn’t work out,” how do I downgrade to reopen a file in FW 5.6.5?


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I’ve just spent the last two hours messing up my websites with an upgrade to FW 6. These aren’t fancy websites, mind you. But nothing is working the way it should. Some actions go one place. Some go another. Some install one way. Some install another. I’m not yet even sure which actions I need to update beyond Carousel and the PHP Feedback Form – both of which I’ve done, and yet I get javascript errors.

I’ve been using Freeway for more than 10 years. It used to be easy and just let me design. Comfortable. It never used to require the kind of “hunt through your actions to see where they live, which updates one way, which updates another, etc.”

This is the most discouraging update I’ve ever attempted. Honestly? I’ve been on a Mac so long that I actually DO have that expectation that updates should be more or less seamless. Now I’m having to hunt through forum post after forum post for just the right answer. Seriously? Do we really have to spend this kind of time dealing with what should be an easier process? It’s swell for you folks who have a lot of experience. Not so swell for people who just want to make relatively simple sites that look good, operate soundly, and please the client.

Well, it looks like I can still open my sites in the back-up version of 5.6.5. If not, I may have to use Time Machine to somehow get this Version 6 off my machine.


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To be fair, Pro6 is the first major update in many years – and while it is
still not a full step to where it needs to go, it IS a good thing.

What this means in practical terms is that we are also updating is the
way we work
– and THAT is also a good thing.

It seems clear from regular comments posted on FWT that learning these new
ways of working are not best done by converting old sites – I wouldn’t
do that without committing to spending the time and effort to work the bugs
out of your current workflow.

You can run Pro 5 and Pro 6 on the same machine – not without working
through some issues like actions and whatever, but it is possible.

Best to accept that this will be an adjustment period – Freeway Pro is
struggling to catch up to where the world is today, and we must struggle
too – or be left further behind than we already are.

So, first step is learn how to maintain both 5.5 and 6 together – lot’s of
searchable info on FreewayTalk.

Second step, start small with Pro 6 and try some exercise work with it. Now
is a great time to learn inline layouts – again, search the forum and you
will find links to tutorials and stuff.

If you start a conversion project, preserve the 5.5 working version and
treat the 6 version rightly as a learning project.

We are all learning new ways together now :slight_smile:


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On Sun, Mar 3, 2013 at 9:51 AM, LauraB email@hidden wrote:

I’ve just spent the last two hours messing up my websites with an upgrade
to FW 6. These aren’t fancy websites, mind you. But nothing is working the
way it should. Some actions go one place. Some go another. Some install one
way. Some install another. I’m not yet even sure which actions I need to
update beyond Carousel and the PHP Feedback Form – both of which I’ve
done, and yet I get javascript errors.

I’ve been using Freeway for more than 10 years. It used to be easy and
just let me design. Comfortable. It never used to require the kind of “hunt
through your actions to see where they live, which updates one way, which
updates another, etc.”

This is the most discouraging update I’ve ever attempted. Honestly? I’ve
been on a Mac so long that I actually DO have that expectation that updates
should be more or less seamless. Now I’m having to hunt through forum post
after forum post for just the right answer. Seriously? Do we really have to
spend this kind of time dealing with what should be an easier process? It’s
swell for you folks who have a lot of experience. Not so swell for people
who just want to make relatively simple sites that look good, operate
soundly, and please the client.

Well, it looks like I can still open my sites in the back-up version of
5.6.5. If not, I may have to use Time Machine to somehow get this Version 6
off my machine.


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Amen to that.


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Richard, if you could indeed do a sample FW file for me using 5.6.1 I would be most appreciative. I’ve quite literally spent from 8:45 a.m. to 4 p.m. trying to update a 25-page medically oriented client site in FW 6. I ran into crash after crash after crash, even though I had run routine maintenance programs, restarted several times and had no other programs running beyond Safari. (My Mac is 6 months old.)

That sample is still at http://www.laurabelgrave.com/tester/kutner.html

Meanwhile, I believe the crashes in FW 6 somehow had to do with the new CSSMenu action, which I never could get close to looking even faintly as nice as the one I’d previously constructed for the client with the basic MenuBar action. And yes, I did watch the Softpress video tutorial time and again.

(On the plus side, I got my carousel and other actions updated, at least those required for the site I was working on.)

As others have suggested, I shall NOT attempt FW 6 for any major sites right now. I wish I had not yet downloaded it, but I really thought it would convert nicely by bug fix #4. For that reason, I think that converting existing sites, except perhaps for those who do websites exclusively for a living and know so much more, is way too time-consuming and frustrating.

Once I get the file you’ve offered to send me in FW 5.6.1 (the “law site”) I can examine it against the FW 6 version you previously sent. Over time – and finding time is always the issue – maybe I can devote whole days to the apparent learning curve required by what I’ve always regarded as a brilliant design program that, regrettably, may eventually force more of us to eventually move to template-driven sites with less “whiz bang” control, but not require the intense learning curve and under the hood fixes that Freeway now demands.

Funny. I’m one of the few who can live without multiple undos. But entire days for what should be a relatively benign upgrade? Not so much. I look forward to upgrades for the new features I believe they’ll bring me. I think Softpress should at some point make it clear that for every new feature, much in time may have be be sacrificed for learning curves. In that perfect world, we’d all have that time. It’s just not the world I live in.

(Not intended as a rant, folks. Ernie? Richard? DeltaDave? Walter? You’re all wonderfully gifted and generous with your help. I’m just really disappointed and discouraged at having lost the bulk of a Sunday and being able to show little advancement as a result.)


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(Not intended as a rant, folks. Ernie? Richard? DeltaDave? Walter? You’re
all wonderfully gifted and generous with your help. I’m just really
disappointed and discouraged at having lost the bulk of a Sunday and being
able to show little advancement as a result.)

I know, it’s frustrating for us too. We are all beginning again with this
new version.

Hang in there :slight_smile:


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Hi Laura,

here again … this time done in Freeway Pro 5.6.5:
http://fwdemo.rvanheukelum.com/laura.belgrave/kutner_done_in_fw565/

and the freeway pro 5.6.5 file here for download :
http://fwdemo.rvanheukelum.com/laura.belgrave/kutner_done_in_fw565/kutner.zip
This should do it … :wink:

Second … my advise (like everyone, I also have my own way of working). Clear all your custom actions that you installed previously from this folder in order to remove them from loading in FW6 :

/Users/"YourNameHere"/Library/Application Support/FreewayPro/Actions/General/

Now only install the actions you need using in FW6. Just install them whenever you actually have to use them. You don’t have to remove them after that, but until then … don’t bother installing them. And when you need an action, take a look at ActionsForge in order to check the FW6 compatibility.

Simply … don’t load stuff you don’t need (yet).

Best regards, Richard


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Thank you so very much, Richard. You’re a treasure. And Ernie? The rest of you as well? Likewise. I SO want to hang onto Freeway. But with a change in my job situation, I have to be very, very careful about what learning curves I have to navigate, and when.


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Ernie, I feel a little less alone. Thank you for the kind words.

Laura

On 3 Mar 2013, 9:13 pm, The Big Erns wrote:

(Not intended as a rant, folks. Ernie? Richard? DeltaDave? Walter? You’re
all wonderfully gifted and generous with your help. I’m just really
disappointed and discouraged at having lost the bulk of a Sunday and being
able to show little advancement as a result.)

I know, it’s frustrating for us too. We are all beginning again with this
new version.

Hang in there :slight_smile:


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