Good morning,
Well After a weekend of working on this site… I think I got it!
I got the text increasing and the bottom border moving!
everything is Left Aligned
the slideshows, the lightbox (about us page) is working…
colors changed…
spelling checked…
ok folks…
how does it look?
Thank you again for your patience and honesty!
Julie
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On 26 Oct 2009, at 15:54, julie maxwell allen wrote:
ok folks…
how does it look?
Miles better. Really much better.
A few anomalies: on all the sub-menus under the ‘Programs’ menu item,
there’s something wrong just underneath the logo with the birds on the
top left. Something conflicting there, something covering up something
else. On those same sub-pages, your text on the right, above the
picture, is not pushing the picture down when the text is enlarged.
On the Welcome page, the caption underneath the slideshow is wider
than the slideshow. You could either make it smaller text; it’s quite
large at the moment and could easily go down a couple of point sizes,
or you could just have it say the words ‘Our facility’; nothing else
is needed there.
Above the slideshow, the text is graphic text where it could be HTML
text; also, the header above that, where it says ‘Giving Children
Roots and Wings’ is not sufficiently bigger than what’s underneath,
and it’s in a font that hasn’t translated very well; the word ‘Roots’
is very thin and whispy. Why not just use the same font as the
‘Welcome’ on the right side of the page? (And make it HTML text)
About us page: not working like the other pages when text is enlarged,
overflows the bottom graphic. Word ‘Mission’ is underlined and in a
different typeface to, say, the ‘Welcome’ on the Welcome page; should
really match, and be HTML text like ‘Welcome’?
It’s much better than it was 
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Thank you…
I think I fixed the problem w the bottom graphic on About us… I have
had issues w that… hopefully it is solved.
I fixed most of your suggestions. The only one I can not is the
slideshow on the preschool page. That needs to be layered w the html
box. other wise it will not show. and for some reason my html box is
showing white and going over the slideshow when the color in the
inspector is none… humm
I was having problems w the program pages and the staff title
disappearing underneath roots and wing… I think I fixed it…
Thank you again.
J;)
On Oct 26, 2009, at 12:19 PM, Paul Bradforth wrote:
On 26 Oct 2009, at 15:54, julie maxwell allen wrote:
ok folks…
how does it look?
Miles better. Really much better.
A few anomalies: on all the sub-menus under the ‘Programs’ menu
item, there’s something wrong just underneath the logo with the
birds on the top left. Something conflicting there, something
covering up something else. On those same sub-pages, your text on
the right, above the picture, is not pushing the picture down when
the text is enlarged.On the Welcome page, the caption underneath the slideshow is wider
than the slideshow. You could either make it smaller text; it’s
quite large at the moment and could easily go down a couple of point
sizes, or you could just have it say the words ‘Our facility’;
nothing else is needed there.Above the slideshow, the text is graphic text where it could be HTML
text; also, the header above that, where it says ‘Giving Children
Roots and Wings’ is not sufficiently bigger than what’s underneath,
and it’s in a font that hasn’t translated very well; the word
‘Roots’ is very thin and whispy. Why not just use the same font as
the ‘Welcome’ on the right side of the page? (And make it HTML text)About us page: not working like the other pages when text is
enlarged, overflows the bottom graphic. Word ‘Mission’ is underlined
and in a different typeface to, say, the ‘Welcome’ on the Welcome
page; should really match, and be HTML text like ‘Welcome’?It’s much better than it was
best wishes,
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Looks nice, Julie. Pays to stick with it, eh??
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It does…
THank you
and I bet, you guys like to see that i actually listened… 
and I have some skill lurking down under… lol
Julie
On Oct 26, 2009, at 1:42 PM, Robert B wrote:
Looks nice, Julie. Pays to stick with it, eh??
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Hi Julie,
Forgive my bluntness, please, but - I have to say that it doesn’t
look all that different from before. I can see some evidence of
things being moved around, but overall the pages have no internal
visual logic; the placement and sizing of elements doesn’t appear to
be done according to a coherent design structure.
Have you had a chance to think about grid structure and aligmnent of
objects? Take another look at the example I posted.
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Keith,
I like your bluntness.
I like your example and I did make a grid to line things up… which i
did…
I am sorry I did not look through the words you spoke just at them so
all I did was work on the alignment…
so you are saying there is no “flow” ok. I will work on moving things
around to make them more logical.
Julie
On Oct 26, 2009, at 2:35 PM, Keith Martin wrote:
Hi Julie,
Forgive my bluntness, please, but - I have to say that it doesn’t
look all that different from before. I can see some evidence of
things being moved around, but overall the pages have no internal
visual logic; the placement and sizing of elements doesn’t appear to
be done according to a coherent design structure.Have you had a chance to think about grid structure and alignment of
objects? Take another look at the example I posted.k
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Keith,
I think i get it but check this out…
I just switched up the infant/ toddler / pre/ school
pages…
is that more what you are talking - a flow?
http://www.tlchamburg.net
Julie
On Oct 26, 2009, at 2:35 PM, Keith Martin wrote:
Hi Julie,
Forgive my bluntness, please, but - I have to say that it doesn’t
look all that different from before. I can see some evidence of
things being moved around, but overall the pages have no internal
visual logic; the placement and sizing of elements doesn’t appear to
be done according to a coherent design structure.Have you had a chance to think about grid structure and aligmnent of
objects? Take another look at the example I posted.k
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is that more what you are talking - a flow?
http://www.tlchamburg.net
It is marginally better - but I don’t mean flow, I mean structure.
You have specific content elements on each page. They should be
arranged in a logical manner so the page and page contents work
together. The grid is used to help you do this.
Download that example Freeway document.
Look at the grid.
Make one in your own document:
Choose Page > Margins and Grids,
set the Left and Right margins to 10px.
Click OK.
Choose Page > Create Guides,
set Columns to 5 and the gutter to 20px. Click the ‘From Margins’ checkbox.
Click OK.
Make sure rulers are showing in your document, then click and drag
a horizontal guide down from the top ruler. Position this somewhere
that’s appropriate for the upper limit of your main page content. See
my example layout for a hint.
Now make your objects snap to these new guides.
Take your page design seriously. Don’t just slap things down and
slide them about without a plan, a structure, and a critical eye.
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Ok sorry bout that… I was reading but not listening
Let’s try that again
Sent from my iPhone
On Oct 26, 2009, at 17:26, Keith Martin email@hidden wrote:
is that more what you are talking - a flow?
http://www.tlchamburg.netIt is marginally better - but I don’t mean flow, I mean structure.
You have specific content elements on each page. They should be
arranged in a logical manner so the page and page contents work
together. The grid is used to help you do this.Download that example Freeway document.
Look at the grid.
Make one in your own document:
Choose Page > Margins and Grids,
set the Left and Right margins to 10px.
Click OK.Choose Page > Create Guides,
set Columns to 5 and the gutter to 20px. Click the ‘From Margins’
checkbox.
Click OK.Make sure rulers are showing in your document, then click and drag
a horizontal guide down from the top ruler. Position this somewhere
that’s appropriate for the upper limit of your main page content.
See my example layout for a hint.Now make your objects snap to these new guides.
Take your page design seriously. Don’t just slap things down and
slide them about without a plan, a structure, and a critical eye.How to Use the Grid System in Graphic Design
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grid_(page_layout)
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This link just gets me to a holding page Julie
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Sorry about that… I had to take it down for a second…
It is back up
TY
JUlie
On Oct 26, 2009, at 7:52 PM, DeltaDave wrote:
This link just gets me to a holding page Julie
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There are a few things that stand out for me:
I don’t like the colours that you have chosen for the navigation menu - I think they are too harsh and dont work well together. Red against dark blue and light green against yellow - it is not easy to read and I think if I was colour blind it would be a nightmare.
Toddler Room is a disaster - everything on top of each other, text sizes mis-matched, balance wrong and the graphic text “TLC’s Toddler Room Staff” shouldn’t be over 2 lines - never mind that dodgy font! and the show/hides on the Staff names adds nothing. You have the space to spell it out.
Much of that also applies to School-age whose title is School Aged
About Us - The show/hide on Child and Adult Care Food Program is also a mess - if you really want to do it that way put a border on the box and give it a subtle background colour to lift it off the page. I would also be tempted to stick a Google Map on this page - the one you have is barely readable.
I think that once you are away from the first page you could reduce the size of the TLC logo header considerably - it will help balance.
In your Contact Us form - one of the options is Toddler ROom
I think that is enough for just now on top of what others have said.
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UGH!!!
when i previewed it etc… nothing was floating on top of anything
else… oy!!
I swear it wasnt like that…
what do you mean dodgy font? I switched from a graphic box to a html
box… did that change the font?
ok… wine poured, drawing board out
thank you …
J
On Oct 26, 2009, at 8:48 PM, DeltaDave wrote:
There are a few things that stand out for me:
I don’t like the colours that you have chosen for the navigation
menu - I think they are too harsh and dont work well together. Red
against dark blue and light green against yellow - it is not easy to
read and I think if I was colour blind it would be a nightmare.Toddler Room is a disaster - everything on top of each other, text
sizes mis-matched, balance wrong and the graphic text “TLC’s Toddler
Room Staff” shouldn’t be over 2 lines - never mind that dodgy font!
and the show/hides on the Staff names adds nothing. You have the
space to spell it out.Much of that also applies to School-age whose title is School Aged
About Us - The show/hide on Child and Adult Care Food Program is
also a mess - if you really want to do it that way put a border on
the box and give it a subtle background colour to lift it off the
page. I would also be tempted to stick a Google Map on this page -
the one you have is barely readable.I think that once you are away from the first page you could reduce
the size of the TLC logo header considerably - it will help balance.In your Contact Us form - one of the options is Toddler ROom
I think that is enough for just now on top of what others have said.
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I dont understand why everything shifts so much… I have most not to
layer ( to help the txt increase issue) … how can i have them stay in
one place? When I lock… they dont move for the txt increase…
They look fine on my preview but when uploaded they are not in place.
ANy suggestions?
Thank you
Julie
On Oct 26, 2009, at 8:48 PM, DeltaDave wrote:
There are a few things that stand out for me:
I don’t like the colours that you have chosen for the navigation
menu - I think they are too harsh and dont work well together. Red
against dark blue and light green against yellow - it is not easy to
read and I think if I was colour blind it would be a nightmare.Toddler Room is a disaster - everything on top of each other, text
sizes mis-matched, balance wrong and the graphic text “TLC’s Toddler
Room Staff” shouldn’t be over 2 lines - never mind that dodgy font!
and the show/hides on the Staff names adds nothing. You have the
space to spell it out.Much of that also applies to School-age whose title is School Aged
About Us - The show/hide on Child and Adult Care Food Program is
also a mess - if you really want to do it that way put a border on
the box and give it a subtle background colour to lift it off the
page. I would also be tempted to stick a Google Map on this page -
the one you have is barely readable.I think that once you are away from the first page you could reduce
the size of the TLC logo header considerably - it will help balance.In your Contact Us form - one of the options is Toddler ROom
I think that is enough for just now on top of what others have said.
David
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On 26 Oct 2009, at 15:54, julie maxwell allen wrote:
how does it look?
Thank you again for your patience and honesty!
best wishes,
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Paul,
Your Points are right on…
I am having an issue (that a couple of you have brought up) … .if you
or anyone else has a solution… please…
You have brought up location of the header being too close
I think I fixed that… (maybe) BUT i am having a problem w the photos
on Lt moving - they are unlocked, unlayerd, uncomboed w children -
what else can I do?
IT is funny the staff descriptions - they are aligned w the names…
but yet they pop above or lower - what can i do to fix this?
You mention the tlc - different colors - cant do anything about that -
request of the daycare… I don’t like it either…
Headers - I switched back to graphic items… Seems to fix that
problem. I will look for another font…
Keith,
I am just starting to work w the grids… do not think please I did not
listed last night… I did move a couple of things, but the issues
above are issues that are driving me nuts… because it looked “good”
and inline… then things changed when I did a final upload - and Dave
saw an uglier mess
I have switched back to the test address:
http://www.grassrootsweb.net/tlc
Thank you
Julie
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On 26 Oct 2009, at 15:54, julie maxwell allen wrote:
how does it look?
Thank you again for your patience and honesty!
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On 27 Oct 2009, at 13:15, julie maxwell allen wrote:
I think I fixed that… (maybe) BUT i am having a problem w the
photos on Lt moving - they are unlocked, unlayerd, uncomboed w
children - what else can I do?
Julie, it would help enormously if you wrote your mails to the list
carefully, and without this sort of txt spk. I have no idea what Lt is?
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Left -
alot of times I am righting from my phone… sorry .
Julie
On Oct 27, 2009, at 9:28 AM, Paul Bradforth wrote:
On 27 Oct 2009, at 13:15, julie maxwell allen wrote:
I think I fixed that… (maybe) BUT i am having a problem w the
photos on Lt moving - they are unlocked, unlayerd, uncomboed w
children - what else can I do?Julie, it would help enormously if you wrote your mails to the list
carefully, and without this sort of txt spk. I have no idea what Lt
is?best wishes,
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On 27 Oct 2009, at 13:15, julie maxwell allen wrote:
Headers - I switched back to graphic items… Seems to fix that
problem. I will look for another font…
Don’t look too hard! — use the same one as you’ve used for other HTML
headers. Not sure what it is, sans-serif, though.
best wishes,
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