Suddenly I have background colors showing through when I draw a graphic item, sch as for text. They were not there before.
I recall checking a box called “layer” but do not see such an option now.
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Do you have a sample page to see what is going on?
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On 11 Jan 2009, 4:33 am, Dan J wrote:
Do you have a sample page to see what is going on?
I don’t know how to attach them to this message. It is easy to visualize. Just imagine you have a gray-colored background on the site. You then have a tan box on top of that as part of your site design (in my case a general working area below my navigation bar. When I draw a graphic box ON TOP of that tan box, the gray base area shows through. It is as if the graphic box “cuts through” the bakcground color showing my base background color underneath.
I would like to know how to post samples; that would help on many of my questions.
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Post samples by uploading pages to your webspace and then post a URL to the page here.
Such as
http://www.yoursite.com/test/index.html
If you also set your HTML output code to More Readable (File>Document Setup>Output 2nd dropdown list) then we can look at the source code of your page and try and help you out
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Sorry, newbie here. I don’t know what you mean by “my webspace.” My current site is hosted by an outside company and I do not post directly to the site – it was/is done by my old website designer. .
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Sometime around 11/1/09 (at 04:27 -0500) SkipII said:
I would like to know how to post samples; that would help on many of
my questions.
The normal process is to upload them to somewhere on your own site
and then tell us the URL. That works pretty well.
But I see you don’t have direct access to your site. That’s a little
strange given that you’re using a web site authoring tool, but never
mind!
What I would suggest is that you set up another web domain somewhere
using a cheap hosting service and use that for your experiments. You
can keep your arrangements as you want with your web designer person
and yet have the freedom to try things out and share them with us to
get comments and assistance. Think of it as a small investment with
major potential benefits!
(BTW, you can’t include attachments here because many people,
including me, use this forum exclusively by email. It isn’t the done
thing to push email file attachments to hundreds of others without
their express permission.)
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Duncehead here…
Do you have an example or two of a “cheap” web domain hosting service I can use?
Meantime, I still have the backgrond problem. Let me try again with the description.
Imagine first your site has a gray background as a base.
Then you draw a large tan box on that to define a section of the site. So far so good.
Then on top of that you draw a graphic box. When you draw THAT box you do not put a color in it – you will be putting text in it, for example. Suddenly, rather than have the tan show through, the gray from the base layer shows up in the box.
That is the problem. Everytime I draw any kind of graphic box on top of a colored area of the site, the underyling base gray color shows up, as if the graphic box is “cutting through” the colored layer to expose the base color.
Does that help explain the issue?
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Do you have an example or two of a “cheap” web
domain hosting service I can use?
Have-Host (http://www.have-host.com/)
One year charge from $66
Run by a Freeway user
This is where I have my vortex.co.uk domain. (My
site here is virtually a historical artifact! But
my vortex email is vitally important, and I’ve
had no problems at all.)
I Need Web Hosting (http://www.ineedwebhosting.co.uk/)
One year charge from £15
Run by Freeway users.
I haven’t used this service myself, but they do
seem very proactive and have had good feedback
from users. There are a number of options
available.
Dreamhost (http://www.dreamhost.com/)
One year charge from $120
I use this for all my domains apart from the
vortex.co.uk one. It costs more than a single
domain deal from the above guys, but I get
unlimited domain hosting, bandwidth and storage.
(Yes, really. That deal was available briefly,
but even the ‘capped’ deals are in the
terabyte/gigabyte levels.)
Look at each service to see if there’s anything
that jumps out as being particularly good for
you. Don’t worry about the things that don’t make
sense yet; you just need a modest amount of
storage and bandwidth. (Have-Host and
INeedWebHosting both offer perfectly adequate
amounts for most people’s needs.)
You will also need to get yourself a domain name
(i.e. somethingclever.com, etc.). This will be
cheap; probably no more than $10 a year.
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Add to Keith’s list http://www.fasthosts.co.uk - very reliable, though
a little more expensive at c£55 p.a., but with everything you need to
expand your future web site interests already in place.
HTH. Colin.
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On 11 Jan 2009, at 13:38, SkipII wrote:
Do you have an example or two of a “cheap” web domain hosting
service I can use?
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Thanks for the suggestions. I’m sure one of them will work. The only reason that came up was because someone was asking me to post a sample of the problem. .
Any help on the background issusz, which was the initial intent of this post?
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HI there
I can also recommend Hostgator http://www.hostgator.com/ who have a 20% off winter sale just now which give you unlimited disk space, bandwidth and domains for less $80 per year when you sign up for three years.
Best wishes
Gordon
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Sometime around 11/1/09 (at 08:38 -0500) SkipII said:
Everytime I draw any kind of graphic box on top of a colored area of
the site, the underyling base gray color shows up, as if the graphic
box is “cutting through” the colored layer to expose the base color.
Do you really mean a graphic box? This behaviour happens when you
place a non-layered HTML box over a non-layered graphic box.
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Any help on the background issusz, which was the initial intent of this post?
I just posted a question relating to your previous post, but in
addition to that…
So you want to have a page design background that shows something like this?
The whote ‘box’ that sits in front of the grey background is actually
a part of the page background image. I posted a note on how this is
done about a week ago, but here’s the contents of that post:
This is easy to achieve. First, take a look at
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tfl-global/images/page-background.gif - which
is the graphic that the TFL site uses for the page background. If you
copy this out of your browser to the Finder and then try it in a
Freeway page as a background graphic you can do this yourself.
With nothing selected, use the Inspector palette’s second icon and
choose this graphic as the page background image. (You can
alternatively drag and drop it into the page WITH the Shift key held
down. This applies it as a background rather than importing it as a
regular graphic.)
Once the graphic is set up as a true page background (remember NOT in
a graphic box - that’s NOT a page background!), use the Inspector
palette’s controls to set the background’s Horizontal setting to
Center and the Vertical setting to Tile. It will now be centered
horizontally in the page but be tiled to fill the page vertically.
Add a simple background colour fill and use D7D7D7 as the hex colour
code; that’s the right match for the ‘background’ part of the
graphic. Now the graphic will appear to fill the page width edge to
edge.
Preview and resize the browser window. Presto! You have the fake
‘page within browser window’ effect. This is how this trick is done.
Simple, eh?
All you need to do is make your own graphic, bearing in mind that it
should tile seamlessly down the page and that you will need to either
make it wide enough to fill a browser window in every reasonable
circumstance (aim for 2000px wide) or you will need to match the edge
colour with a simple page HTML colour fill.
Oh - this is the TFL page background graphic, but the site design
shows a white ‘fake page’, not a light grey one. I haven’t checked,
but this is either done with a white-filled HTML box (in Freeway
terms) behind the other elements or it actually uses another
background graphic. But still, this should show just how that page
effect is made.
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Okay, I’m going to give this one more try, but everyone is being very helpful but taking this way too deep.
This is a PROBLEM I am having, not somehting I am trying to achieve.
Imagine again:
I set up a page with a background color (gray). It is not something that shows one the page; it is only to have something to cover the browser area around the edges of my actual site.
THEN…when I create the page areas for my site, one might be black on top, tan on bottom. Hold that thought…
NOW…when I am adding elements to the site and drawing graphic boxes (with NO color in them, just frames to hold images or text), the GRAY base backgrond color shows through, rather than the black or tan layer that the graphic element is being drawn on top of.
It is, again, as if every time I draw a graphic element, it ignores or “cut through” the color layer and exposes the gray layer.
I DO NOT want this happening. I now have gray areas filling in all of the graphic boxes I draw – a mess.
That is the issue.
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Just imagine you have a gray-colored background on the site. You then have a tan box on top of that as part of your site design (in my case a general working area below my navigation bar. When I draw a graphic box ON TOP of that tan box, the gray base area shows through
Just to clarify this “gray-colored background on the site” Was this created as a page background colour ie Nothing selected on the page, click paintbrush icon and choose a colour from the Color dropdown?
a tan box on top of that
Is this an HTML box you drew? Layered or not?
a graphic box ON TOP of that tan box
Again is this layered or not?
Just trying to duplicate what you are doing - what version of FW are you using and whether Express or Pro
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This is a PROBLEM I am having, not somehting I am trying to achieve.
Okay - delete the grey box. Problem solved. 
I set up a page with a background color (gray). It is not something
that shows one the page; it is only to have something to cover the
browser area around the edges of my actual site.
Ker-ping! Read my last post. You ARE trying to achieve something, and
that something appears to be the ‘page within window effect’. This is
done using a page background graphic.
It is, again, as if every time I draw a graphic element, it ignores
or “cut through” the color layer and exposes the gray layer.
Again, a little more loudly: are you SURE that the box that cuts
through is a GRAPHIC box? Because this is what happens when you use
non-layered HTML boxes!
Select one of those boxes. What do you see in the Inspector palette’s title?
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On 11 Jan 2009, 3:52 pm, DeltaDave wrote:
Just imagine you have a gray-colored background on the site. You then have a tan box on top of that as part of your site design (in my case a general working area below my navigation bar. When I draw a graphic box ON TOP of that tan box, the gray base area shows through
Just to clarify this “gray-colored background on the site” Was this created as a page background colour ie Nothing selected on the page, click paintbrush icon and choose a colour from the Color dropdown?
Yes. I followed the instructions precisely on how to create a base backgroiund color for the site that would fill browser areas outside of my actual page area. I confirmed this approach with Softpress.
a tan box on top of that
Is this an HTML box you drew? Layered or not?
It was a jpeg that I just dragged onto the page (or put it in a graphic box – it was so long ago I don;t remember the steps but I followed the manual.
I am lost on “layered” versus “unlayered” and Freeway reference is silent on this. I have tried it both ways – layed and unlayered, and it does not fix it,
a graphic box ON TOP of that tan box
Again is this layered or not?
Just trying to duplicate what you are doing - what version of FW are you using and whether Express or Pro
Pro 5
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"Okay – delte the gray box. Problem solved.
No, there is no gray box. It is a graphic box I have drawn where the base background color gray is showing through the middle layer (tan or black as the case may be).
I cannot think if any clearer way to describe this that to say the box I draw is cutting through the middle color layer and exposing the page background color on the site.
What am I am doing wrong in explaining this? I hate to frustrate everyone.
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Sometime around 11/1/09 (at 12:56 -0500) SkipII said:
the box I draw is cutting through the middle color layer and
exposing the page background color on the site.
Please humour me and tell me this: what kind of box is it that is
cutting through? Graphic or HTML? Select it and look at the Inspector
palette’s title…
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On 11 Jan 2009, at 17:56, SkipII wrote:
I cannot think if any clearer way to describe this that to say the
box I draw is cutting through the middle color layer and exposing
the page background color on the site.
I don’t know if this is the fix, but have you tried giving the box a
background colour using the Inspector?
best wishes,
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